Wednesday, April 27, 2016

Facebook debate

I have had a good debate on Facebook thought you may like a look

Alan Cain Both the American Bill of Rights (1791) and the (Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) took this concept further and applied it to all men.
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Michael Chidi with certain caveats
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Martin William Clarke Do you honestly believe that British Bill of Human Rights would not include most in this Propergander Video but a British would put the victim first rather then the ECH version which puts the rights of the perpetrator first and we have seen countless examples of this. The British throughout History have been at the forefront of Human Rights
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Alan Cain Am genuinely undecided in terms of which way to vote in the EU referendum (largely put the video up because I am a massive fan of Patrick Stewart). However, despite numerous headlines in the Sun to the contrary, the EU is nothing whatsoever to do with ...See more
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Martin William Clarke I am well aware of what the ECHR To me a vote for staying in the EU is a vote of treachery for future generations. The most important things about us leaving the EU is not a financial one it is one of whether our Grandchildren can decide their own future in a democratic country The EU which most recognise will become a United States of Europe is not a democratic organisation it is basically run by unelected Commissioners. A Democracy can only exist if the people it represents can change their government and change the way its is run this can not be done with in the EU. Heads of Government and unelected Bureaucrats run the EU the ordinary man in the street has no power. The EU is to big to consider itself to be democracy it has 28 countries the UK government can not make changes without the consent of the other 27 countries. So every one in the UK can vote for a certain item giving the UK Government a 100% mandate but they can be rejected by the other 27 countries. So the democratic wish of the British People can never be fulfilled Is this something I want to pass on to my Grandchildren NO. The fear and lies given by Cameron, Obama and the stay in brigade has caused a Major rift within our Nation the aftermath will be like coming out of a Civil War 1 will never forgive people who vote to stay in as I consider them traitors to the British People. I expect the Stay In will win because they are succeeding with their campaign of fear most of which is liars plus I have strong doubts about the corruption when it come to voting
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Alan Cain Totally agree with all the points you make in regards to democracy and the unelected nature of EU commissioners. I also have serious security concerns in relation to the Schengen Agreement and Europe's migrant crisis. On the other side of the coin I have yet to be convinced by any of the economic arguments advocated by the Brexit campaign. Like I said initially, not sure how I will vote on this one.
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Martin William Clarke The economic ones are an incidental To be governed by money and the Rich is not a freedom it is a form of slavery Far better to be Free and democratic. Do you believe the IN campaign that they can forecast 15 years in advance? Do you believe Obama when he says we will not trade with the USA for 9 years? The US exported to UK 57,805.2 Million $ worth of imports are US companies going to give this up? Leave may be a risk but it will be a risk made by the people of he UK unlike the stay where the risk will be made by the bureaucrats of the EU
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Michael Chidi The emotional argument of freedom and democracy are fairly quaint in a constitutional monarchy.
The EU's biggest weakness is its dysfunctional leadership which prevents it from dealing effectively with crises such as the migrant issue or even Ukraine. However that dysfunctional leadership is exactly the same thing that protects against a super national state.
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Martin William Clarke The emotional argument of freedom and democracy are fairly quaint in a constitutional monarchy. This is a very strange statement people have died for Freedom and Democracy and to call it quaint is insulting at least, the alternative is Dictatorship whether by an individual or State or are you one of those who think you can have benevolent Dictatorship? A difunctional Leadership is the excuse for those wishing to form a Super National Dictatorship.The way to stop a super state is to keep small democratic groups that it is it why we must leave the EU to save the World from a World Dictatorship by the Political and wealthy elite. Is that far fetched no as United States of Europe is just the first step
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